Post by Abante on Sept 10, 2006 22:32:26 GMT -5
guys you be interested in this review so i just post this so we have some idea on our charger and how to charge out battery ;D
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I was looking for a charger for my Sanyo NiCd 2400mah t-type battery since I wanted a better charger than my teammate’s TLP AC97 fast charger. We were charging our high-cap batteries for just 30-45 minutes since we didn’t know how long that unit charged a 2400 mah battery. We were told to charge 1100 mah batteries for 15-30 minutes, so we were thinking a 2400 mah batt should take twice as long to charge. But I had a nagging feeling that we were undercharging our batts.
Anyways, armed with P3,000 (which was all my wife allowed me to spend), I read almost all the reviews from the different sites. I read one review for a TLP 940e saying it was a good battery charger but lacks a “fuzzy logic” feature. A TLP 4000c has fuzzy logic but cost a bit more. Finally I found a TLP exproII which also has a fuzzy logic feature but costs less than the TLP 4000c (at the time). I then inquired through texts to different airsoft shops how much they’re selling the TLP expro II. The cheapest I canvassed was 3,000 and most expensive was 4,500 (this was a hobby shop in parksquare). To make a long story short, I went to the shop who gave me the cheapest price and they even offered to give me a discount (got it for P2,800!)
The unit is sturdy-looking with an attractive metallic blue finish. The adaptors for the tamiya connector are a bit loose, but not too much. It has an adaptor for using a car battery as power source (although I haven’t tried it yet for fear of discharging my car battery). The connector for a wall socket is three-pronged, so you’ll have to buy an adaptor so you can use it on our ordinary 2-holed wall socket (sorry, I’m a physician, not an electrician—I’m not familiar with the proper technical terms for them). The manual, except for the table with button functions, is a waste of paper. I had to PM several TLP 4000c and 940e users so I can use the unit properly.
The first time I used it, I used the fuzzy logic function. You would hear several beeps telling you the unit has changed the function automatically from discharge to slow charge to fast charge, and then to slow charge. When it reaches the second slow charge, you’d hear constant beeping every 5 seconds. After two consecutive beeps, I removed the battery, let it cool down, then did some plinking. I was able to use my battery for two Sunday games before a noticeable decrease in the ROF became evident.
The second time I used the unit, I followed the advice of some of the airsofters who answered my PM. First, I discharged the battery using the discharge function. Second, I used the fuzzy logic function—this would initially discharge the battery (again) then continue with the first slow charge, to fast charge, and finally to the second slow charge. Third, I left the unit at slow charge for 15 minutes. This, he explained, was for the battery to achieve a full charge since after the fast charge under the fuzzy logic function, the battery would only reach 80-90% of its capacity. So leaving the unit on slow charge would help to attain a 100% capacity. It’s been three Sunday games and the battery’s still running fine. Of course, performance doesn’t include charging to capacity alone, but other factors such as length of use, airsoft gun setup, and the like…the point is that slow charging for 15 minutes after a full fuzzy logic charge was not deleterious to the battery.
Some members suggested slow charging for an hour after the fast charge. I decided to charge for 15 minutes more, though—since it seemed safer. Others also suggested using a set of car bulbs for draining the battery instead of the TLP’s discharger since it cannot discharge to the ideal 0.9V per cell. I haven’t tried this one yet since I neither have the tools nor the patience to make something like this…
The charge amp selector has no guides on which amp to use when charging a battery with x mah, unlike the 940e and 4000c (see below) models so I use 4 amps for my 2400mah batt as per the shop owner’s suggestion. He said I can set it at 3-5 amps but I should use 4 just to be safe.
You’ll notice that there’s a “3-cycle” function on the manual. What’s this for? Well, apparently that’s for newly-purchased batteries. It’s been said that running new batteries through a complete 3-full-charge/discharge cycles would help your battery obtain maximum capacity. I haven’t tried this one yet, though.
Overall, I would rate this charger a 7.5 out of 10.
If you have the money, go for the ones with an LCD monitor. I saw a friend charging his batteries with it, and it tells you how much the battery has been charged in real-time! RC enthusiasts would still tell you not to use the discharger function though.
Below is the manual which I copied word for word.
TLP EXPRO II
Fuzzy Logic Device Control
Features:
• Charging 3000 Ni-MH battery at up to 5.5A.
• Charge 4-8 cells at 0.5A-5.5A
• Peak detector smart circuit with MOSFET pulse for Ni-cad or Ni-MH to 100% without overcharging
• Lightweight Power-Switching technology unit and smart compact case design.
• Reverse polarity protection system
• Auto detect system for input source:100V-240V AC or 12V car battery.
• Discharging current of 4A, built-in cooling fan.
• Latest software for peak charge, discharge, FUZZY LOGIC and three cycles functions.
Operation:
To operate the charger with AC input:
• Connect AC power cord of the charger to the AC outlet.
• The power lamp of the charger will turn on.
To operated the charger with DC input:
• Disconnect the AC power cord.
• Connect the DC input wire (with crocodile clip) to the DC input terminal of the charger.
• Make sure the red clip is connected to the positive terminal of the 12V battery and the black clip to the negative terminal.
• The power lamp of the charger will turn on.
Important Note:
1. Please do not power on the battery charger when your hand is wet.
2. Please wear soles while using the battery charger.
3. Please do not put anything that includes cloth, chemical, or flammable liquid within 10 cm of the battery charger while it operates in process.
4. Please do not put the battery on the metal plate and keep away from sources of ignition.
5. It must operate under a good air condition and temperature must not more than 30C.
6. Please do not leave it alone and must keep in motioning while it operate in process.
End of review.
Praetor
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I was looking for a charger for my Sanyo NiCd 2400mah t-type battery since I wanted a better charger than my teammate’s TLP AC97 fast charger. We were charging our high-cap batteries for just 30-45 minutes since we didn’t know how long that unit charged a 2400 mah battery. We were told to charge 1100 mah batteries for 15-30 minutes, so we were thinking a 2400 mah batt should take twice as long to charge. But I had a nagging feeling that we were undercharging our batts.
Anyways, armed with P3,000 (which was all my wife allowed me to spend), I read almost all the reviews from the different sites. I read one review for a TLP 940e saying it was a good battery charger but lacks a “fuzzy logic” feature. A TLP 4000c has fuzzy logic but cost a bit more. Finally I found a TLP exproII which also has a fuzzy logic feature but costs less than the TLP 4000c (at the time). I then inquired through texts to different airsoft shops how much they’re selling the TLP expro II. The cheapest I canvassed was 3,000 and most expensive was 4,500 (this was a hobby shop in parksquare). To make a long story short, I went to the shop who gave me the cheapest price and they even offered to give me a discount (got it for P2,800!)
The unit is sturdy-looking with an attractive metallic blue finish. The adaptors for the tamiya connector are a bit loose, but not too much. It has an adaptor for using a car battery as power source (although I haven’t tried it yet for fear of discharging my car battery). The connector for a wall socket is three-pronged, so you’ll have to buy an adaptor so you can use it on our ordinary 2-holed wall socket (sorry, I’m a physician, not an electrician—I’m not familiar with the proper technical terms for them). The manual, except for the table with button functions, is a waste of paper. I had to PM several TLP 4000c and 940e users so I can use the unit properly.
The first time I used it, I used the fuzzy logic function. You would hear several beeps telling you the unit has changed the function automatically from discharge to slow charge to fast charge, and then to slow charge. When it reaches the second slow charge, you’d hear constant beeping every 5 seconds. After two consecutive beeps, I removed the battery, let it cool down, then did some plinking. I was able to use my battery for two Sunday games before a noticeable decrease in the ROF became evident.
The second time I used the unit, I followed the advice of some of the airsofters who answered my PM. First, I discharged the battery using the discharge function. Second, I used the fuzzy logic function—this would initially discharge the battery (again) then continue with the first slow charge, to fast charge, and finally to the second slow charge. Third, I left the unit at slow charge for 15 minutes. This, he explained, was for the battery to achieve a full charge since after the fast charge under the fuzzy logic function, the battery would only reach 80-90% of its capacity. So leaving the unit on slow charge would help to attain a 100% capacity. It’s been three Sunday games and the battery’s still running fine. Of course, performance doesn’t include charging to capacity alone, but other factors such as length of use, airsoft gun setup, and the like…the point is that slow charging for 15 minutes after a full fuzzy logic charge was not deleterious to the battery.
Some members suggested slow charging for an hour after the fast charge. I decided to charge for 15 minutes more, though—since it seemed safer. Others also suggested using a set of car bulbs for draining the battery instead of the TLP’s discharger since it cannot discharge to the ideal 0.9V per cell. I haven’t tried this one yet since I neither have the tools nor the patience to make something like this…
The charge amp selector has no guides on which amp to use when charging a battery with x mah, unlike the 940e and 4000c (see below) models so I use 4 amps for my 2400mah batt as per the shop owner’s suggestion. He said I can set it at 3-5 amps but I should use 4 just to be safe.
You’ll notice that there’s a “3-cycle” function on the manual. What’s this for? Well, apparently that’s for newly-purchased batteries. It’s been said that running new batteries through a complete 3-full-charge/discharge cycles would help your battery obtain maximum capacity. I haven’t tried this one yet, though.
Overall, I would rate this charger a 7.5 out of 10.
If you have the money, go for the ones with an LCD monitor. I saw a friend charging his batteries with it, and it tells you how much the battery has been charged in real-time! RC enthusiasts would still tell you not to use the discharger function though.
Below is the manual which I copied word for word.
TLP EXPRO II
Fuzzy Logic Device Control
Features:
• Charging 3000 Ni-MH battery at up to 5.5A.
• Charge 4-8 cells at 0.5A-5.5A
• Peak detector smart circuit with MOSFET pulse for Ni-cad or Ni-MH to 100% without overcharging
• Lightweight Power-Switching technology unit and smart compact case design.
• Reverse polarity protection system
• Auto detect system for input source:100V-240V AC or 12V car battery.
• Discharging current of 4A, built-in cooling fan.
• Latest software for peak charge, discharge, FUZZY LOGIC and three cycles functions.
Operation:
To operate the charger with AC input:
• Connect AC power cord of the charger to the AC outlet.
• The power lamp of the charger will turn on.
To operated the charger with DC input:
• Disconnect the AC power cord.
• Connect the DC input wire (with crocodile clip) to the DC input terminal of the charger.
• Make sure the red clip is connected to the positive terminal of the 12V battery and the black clip to the negative terminal.
• The power lamp of the charger will turn on.
Important Note:
1. Please do not power on the battery charger when your hand is wet.
2. Please wear soles while using the battery charger.
3. Please do not put anything that includes cloth, chemical, or flammable liquid within 10 cm of the battery charger while it operates in process.
4. Please do not put the battery on the metal plate and keep away from sources of ignition.
5. It must operate under a good air condition and temperature must not more than 30C.
6. Please do not leave it alone and must keep in motioning while it operate in process.
End of review.
Praetor
